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how does this issue sit with independentents? >> we have booked ken cuccinelli this week because of his involvement to the challenge to health care. would you tell us your understanding of virginia's -- if they lose this, if the health care law is upheld by the court? >> he wanted it -- but that said, we would really face -- he did concede that. they are missing all kinds of deadlines to get federal funding, and they would have a very short window for this january 1 deadline to show they have made significant progress. >> the attorney general suggested they might revisit it. >> i'm not hearing that. the sense i have gotten from
talking to people on both sides of the issue is more that the court sort of shows as many issues as it will ever address in a one-shot -- they are holding five and a half hours of meetings, and they have included all kinds of issues, some of which are more long shots than the individual mandate question, the implication being, they are going to take one bite of this apple, and they are not going to be coming back for more. >> thank you both for your opinions on national health care and politics. >> thank you. >> this week on prime minister's questions, while prime minister david cameron was in the u.s. on a visit, topics included the government's health and social care bill, the economy, taxes --
taxation and rupert murdoch's papers. "prime minister's questions" tonight at 9:00 p.m. >> actor and director day letter perry hosted an event to raise money for the obama victory fund, the obama for america campaign, and the democratic national committee. the president talks about his legislative accomplishments starting with his first three years in office. this event is about 35 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, to introduce the president of the
united states, please welcome writer, producer, director tyler perry. [applause] >> i have to tell you, this is surreal to me. i remember being 5 or 6 years old and remembering i had wings on my back and i would wear my coat in the summertime because i didn't want people to know about my imaginary wings. i had a very active imagination. i can always have a vision. i thank god for that. imagination is what carried me through. when i was 9 or 10 i imagined being able to own my own business and being a entrepreneur, which was pretty difficult to do where i was growing up. i had no role models around to show me that that could happen. but i still had my imagination. when i was about 18 or 19 years old i wrote my first movie and i imagined being able to inspire and encourage and make people
laugh all around the world. that was a difficult dream, but i was able to imagine that. when i turned 30, i imagined opening this place. and i was able to do it. >> [cheers and applause] but in everything that i imagined, i never thought -- [cheers and applause] there would be a day when the presidential motorcade would come through southwest -- [cheers and applause] giving all these little boys and little girls a glimpse of what destiny looks like. the very fact that the president is here should speak to the possibility of all of us taking the limits off of our own imagination. it should speak to the possibilities of all of us being better. a better you, a better me. it should speak to the possibilities of a better today and a better tomorrow. and in that better tomorrow, it
speaks to the possibility of four more years. [cheers and applause] in all that i imagined, i never imagined i would be able to say, ladies and gentlemen -- [cheers and applause] -- the president of the united states of america, president barack obama! [cheers and applause] >> hello, hello, hello! hello atlanta! hello, ga! it is good to be in atlanta, georgia. thank you. [cheers and applause]
i love you back. i do. [cheers and applause] so first of all, let me acknowledge a few people who are here. the outstanding young mayor of atlanta, georgia is in the house. one of the finest men i know, somebody upon whose shoulders i stand, the great congressman john lewis is in the house. [cheers and applause] sanford bishop, david scott, t. johnson. somebody who i was just reminiscing, when i first started to run for office, a lot
of people were not sure whether a guy named barack obama could win. so we went down to the selma commemoration. and we were in church. and a lot of folks at that point were wondering whether it is a good idea that this young guy is running for president. this guy got up on stage and explained how people think he's a little crazy. but there is good crazy and there's bad crazy. he tells me now that he came up with the idea when his doctor said to him, there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. he decided that supporting barack obama was a good kind of crazy, he said.
we have been dear friends ever since. the reverend dr. joseph lowery is in the house. and finally, let me just say something about the man who introduced us, tyler perry. hosting us all at his incredible facility. he and i were talking, and there's something about americans where somebody from my background can do what i'm doing, and somebody from tyler's background can do what he's doing. and as tough as things get sometimes, and as frustrated and cynical as people can get about politics, when you look at a tyler perry and all that he has achieved and the humility and graciousness with which he has achieved it, you can't help but
be proud of him and to be proud of our country. so give it up for mr. tyler perry. [cheers and applause] now i'm here today, not only because i need your help, i'm here buzz the consumer -- because the country needs your help. there are a lot of reasons why so many of you decide today get involved and then just work your hearts out in the campaign in 2008. it was not because you thought it wouldn't be easy. the odds of me becoming president were long. you didn't need a poll to know it was going to be tough. you didn't join the campaign because of me. you joined it because of your commitment to each other and the vision that we share about america. it wasn't a vision where just a
few people do well and everybody else is on their own, and the most powerful are able to make their own rules. it wasn't a cramped vision or a selfish vision of america. it wasn't a limited vision about our future. it was a vision of america where everybody who works hard has a clans to get -- has a chance to get ahead. not just those that are born into it, but a tyler perry or barack obama or a child in georgia or a child in a barrio in texas or a poor child in some rural community in the midwest. it didn't matter. they would have a chance if they were willing to work hard. that's the vision we shared. that's the change we believe in.
we knew it would not come easy. we knew it would not come quickly. but we believed. and in just three years, because of what you did in 2008, we have begun to see what change looked like. change is the first bill i signed into law. a bill that says women deserve an equal day's pay for an equal day's work. i don't want my daughter treated any differently than your son. i want them to be treated equally. that is change. change is a decision we made to rescue the auto industry. at a time when some were saying let detroit go bankrupt, we had one million jobs on the line, and i wasn't going to let them go. today g.m. is back on top, the number one automaker in the world, just reported the highest
profits in their 100-year history with more than 200,000 new jobs added. the u.s. auto industry is back. that's what shay change is. that's what you did. we will be driving cars getting 55 miles a gallon. that will save families money at the pump. that's what change is. and it happened because of you. [cheers and applause] let's give it to the students so that americans are getting
grants. change is attacking the cycle of poverty. not just by just pouring money into a broken system, but by building on what works. the idea of pulling all our resources together to make sure everyone has a chance. rebuilding our public services, public housing. making sure that our education system is working, making sure that we have partnerships with local leaders like kasim reed. [cheers and applause] all across the country, rebuilding cities one block, one neighborhood at a time. that's what change is. change is health care reform. [cheers and applause] you want to call it obama care?
that's ok, because i do care. that's why we passed it. that is why we passed it, because i care about folks who are going bankrupt because they were getting sick. and i care about children who have preexisting conditions and their families could not get them any kind of insurance. so now we have reforms that in this great country of ours, you won't have to mortgage your house just because you get sick. right now 2.5 million young people have health insurance that did not have it before because of this law. it let them stay on their parents' policies. [cheers and applause] insurance companies can't just deny you coverage and drop your coverage at a time when you need it most. seniors are seeing more health when it comes to prescription drugs and preventive care.
that's what change is. change is the fact that for the first time in history, you don't have to hide who you love in order to serve the country you love. we ended "don't ask/don't tell." change is in 2008 it -- to 200 12, there are no americans fighting in iraq. we thanked -- we, thanks to the men and women in uniform, al-qaeda is now weaker than ever and osama bin laden is not walking the face of this earth. [cheers and applause] none of this has been easy. and we still have a lot to do because there are a lot of folks still hurting out there. a lot of folks are still pounding the pavement for work. a lot of people whose home values have dropped. a lot of people who are still struggling to make the rent. there are still too many
families who can barely pay their bills. too many young people still living in poverty. i was reading a statistic the other day. fewer than half of african-americans believe we'll reach the dream dr. king left for us. so we have so much work to do. and i know when we look at what is, it can be heartbreaking and frustrating. but i ran for president, and you joined this cause, because we don't settle just for what is, we strive for what might be. we want to help more americans reach that dream. i ran for president to give every child a chance. whether he is born in atlanta or comes from a rural down on the delta.
i ran for president not to get us back to where we were, but to take us forward to where we need to be. [cheers and applause] i am telling you, atlanta, we are going to get there. step-by-step we are going to get there. already over the past two years our businesses have added almost four million new jobs. manufacturers are creating jobs for the first time since the 1990's. the recovery is accelerating. our economy is getting stronger. we're moving on the right track. what we can't do is go back to the same policies that got us into this mess in the first place. of course, that's exactly what the other folks want to do, the folks who are running for president. [cheers and applause] they make no secret about it. they want to roll back the laws that we have put in place so that wall street can play by its
own rules again. they want to go back to the day when insurance companies could deny you coverage or jack up your premiums at any time. they want to spend trillions more on tax breaks for the very wealthiest of individuals, even if it means adding to the deficit, even if it means gutting things like education or our investment in clean energy or making sure medicare is stable. their philosophy is stim simple. everybody will have to fend for themselves. if those in power could make their own rules, then somehow it is all going to trickle down to you. and they are wrong. they are wrong. they were wrong when they tried it, and they are wrong now. in the united states of america we are always greater together than we are on our own.
we are always better off when we keep that basic american promise that if you work hard and do well enough to raise a family and own a home and send your kids to college and put a little away for retirement. and that's the choice in this election. we have different visions being presented. this is not just another political debate. this is the defining issue of our time. what are we going to do to make sure that middle class families are secure and that we continue to build ladders for people who are trying to get into the mid -- middle class? we don't need an economy that's built on out-sourcing and bad debt and phony financial problems. we need an economy that's built to last, an economy built on american manufacturing, american energy, giving skills to american workers, and holding up those values that we cherish -- hard work, fair play, shared responsibility.
when we think about the next generation of american manufacturing, i don't want to take a route in asia, i want to take a route in atlanta. [cheers and applause] i don't want this nation to be known for buying and consuming things from other countries. i want to build and sell to other countries products made in the united states of america. i want to stop rewarding businesses that are shipping jobs overseas. i want to reward companies like this one that are creating jobs right here in the united states of america. [cheers and applause] i want to make sure that our schools are the envy of the world. and that means investing in the men and women who stand in front of the classroom. a good teacher increases the income of a classroom by over $2,500. a great teacher it help a child
move beyond their immediate circumstances and reach out for their dreams. >> i don't want wush -- washington to defend the status quo, i want them to reward the best teachers, and reward teachers that are using creativity, stop teaching to the test. i want us to create in this country the kind of passion and reverence for education that is not just a job of government but a job of each of us as parents and community members. and when kids do graduate, i want each of them to be able to afford to go to college. we have more division tuition debt than credit card debt today. by the way, interest rates are scheduled to go up on student loans in july if congress does
not act, so you guys need to get on congress about that. i said to colleges and universities, you have to stop tuition from just going up and up and up. higher education cannot be a luxury. it is an economic imperative that every family should be able to afford. [cheers and applause] i want an economy supporting the sciences and researches. i want to invest in biotechnology and clean energy. companies getting $400 million in tax breaks when they are making near record profits. it is time to stop giving tax give-aways to an industry that has never been more profitable and start investing in clean energy that can create jobs here in the united states. solar power, wind power, biofuels. we need to give our businesses
the best infrastructure in the world -- newer roads and airports, faster railroads and internet access. if we take half the money that we were spending on the war in iraq as we pay down the war in afghanistan. let's use that to pay down our debt. let's use the other half to do nation building here at home. let's put america to work rebuilding schools, rebuilding bridges. and to pay for this, we have to have a tax system that is fair. i was with warren buffet a couple days ago. he said thank you for naming a rule after me. [laughter] it is a very simple principle, the buffet rule. it says if you make more than a million dollars a year, you should not pay a lower tax rate than your secretary. we said if you make less than $250,000 a year, which is 98% of
americans, your taxes should not go up. but folks, i think we can afford to do a little more. tyler can afford to do a little more. [laughter] he knows it. he knows that. this is not class warfare. this is not envy. this is just basic math. because if tyler or i or others get tax breaks we don't need, weren't asking for, that the country can't afford, then one of two things are going to happen. the deficit goes up. every single one of their plans actually increases the deficit. or alternatively, they have to make up for it by taking it away from somebody who really needs it.
the student that suddenly sees the interest on their loan going up. the senior who suddenly has to pay more for medicare. the veteran who is not getting help after having protected us. the family that is trying to get by. it is not right. it is not who we are. i hear a lot of politicians talk about values during election year. you know what? i'm happy to have a values debate. [cheers and applause] i'm happy to have a debate about values. i think about the values my mother and my grand father taught me. hard work, that's a value. looking out for one another, that's a value. i am my brother's keeper, i am my sister's keeper. that is a value.
you know each of us is only here because somebody somewhere was looking out for us. it started in the family, but it wasn't just the immediate family . there was somebody in church, there was somebody in the neighborhood, there was the coach of the little league. there was somebody who made an investment in our country's future. now, our story has never been about what we can do alone, it is about what we can do together. we don't win the race for new jobs and middle class security with the same old "you are on your own" mentality. i am telling you, it does not work. it did not work in the decade before the great depression. it did not work in the decade before i took office. it won't work now. [applause] think about who we are as a country, the opportunities we always pass on to future
generations. when i think about michelle and me and where we come from -- [applause] i know you-all love michelle. [cheers and applause] i love her, too. you know, i think about sometimes we'll be in the white house and we think about my mother-in-law who lives upstairs was a secretary. michelle's dad had multiple sclerosis and still went to work every day, blue collar job. my mom raised me, a single mom. i think about you know what they did for us and the sacrifices
they made. so then i think, well, the sacrifices that i have to make given all the blessings that i've received, they can't just extend to malia and sasha. i have to think about other kids also. i have to think about another single mom going back to school, just like my mom was able to get a student loan to get an education. i'm thinking, you know, we have to make sure that jobs are out there for folks that want to work and overcoming barriers. and i'm willing to make some sacrifices for them. and that makes my life better.
and most of you understand that. you understand if you invest in a teacher and then she teaches somebody who is an -- invents some cure for a major disease, that makes us all better. we invest in internet services for rural georgia and there's a store out there that suddenly business starts booming because they have added a worldwide market to the internet. and that creates economic opportunity for everybody. that idea is not a democratic idea, it is not a republican idea. that is an american idea. abraham lincoln understood it. the first republican president during a war invested in the transcontinental railroad, land grant colleges, national academy of sciences. dwight eisenhower, republican, built an interstate highway system. teddy roosevelt, republican,
called for a progressive income tax. this is not just a democratic idea. this is an american idea that we invest in our future and that we are stronger together than we are alone. you know, sometimes that spirit may seem to have vanished in washington. sometimes it may seem like our politics is just a bad reality show. [laughter] people arguing and fussing and trying to score points. but, you know, out in the country when i go to town halls, and i go to v.f.w. hall, people
understand it is not just about us, but it is about what we can do for each other. it is not just about the next election, it is about the next generation. you talk to our men and women in uniform, they understands understand it. you talk to folks in places of worship, they recognize it. and all of you recognize it. that's what we tapped into in 2008, that spirit. that spirit. so let me just say this, i'm a
little grayer now. [laughter] i'm a little grayer. i know there are times that you might start feeling cynical about what is positive. but i want to remind you what i said back in 2009, i said change is hard. i said this may not happen in one year, it may not happen in one term, it may not happen with one president, but if we stick
with it, if we're determined, if we understand the rightness of our cause, if we continue to think not in terms of just what's good for me but what's good for us, we'll get there. i told you i am not perfect, but that i would always tell you what i thought and where i stood. and i would wake up every single day thinking about you. and working as hard as i know how to make your lives a little bit better. [cheers and applause] and i have kept that promise! [cheers and applause]
come. we will remind the world why the united states of america is the greatest country on earth. god bless you. dog bless the united states of america. -- god bless the united states of america. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] [chanting "4 more years"]
>> it is still march. if we had something else, we would say it is a replay. it is march. you at that% of the primary still to come. a lot of them will be winner take all. >> the essence of this story is that the party is preparing for the possibility advising the camp -- campaign about what can and cannot happen. >> i agree with what you are saying. it is possible. you have got newt gingrich, who
remains in the race and is pledging to stay in and take it to tampa. you see the possibilities of people dropping out. if mitt romney can come on this, then the argument is going to end right there. because of the perceived divide within the party is, i think it is wise to prepare for the possibilities. >> i know you are quite familiar with rule number 30. this change from 2008-2012. >> that is exactly what the rick santorum group is try to push for.
mitt romney may have 1 million more votes. mitt romney may have more delegates than the other three candidates combined. when you come to tampa, anything goes. just like when ted kennedy tried to make it an open convention in 1980 against jimmy carter. you need somebody to be president obama. if it is not going to be met romney, it should be us. >> it is an industrial state. it is a state that rick santorum needs to prove that he can win. that is going to keep this race going. it is not winner-take-all. each is going to walk away with some delegates. >> we talked about how the money
is very important. rick santorum did not have the money to file in every congressional district in illinois. even if he does well, he will be shut out in several congressional districts. >> it has happened before. he was not on the ballot in virginia. this demonstrates how mitt romney is out financing all of the other candidates. >> santorum's campaign is focused more so on newt gingrich. >> if you were to get rid of newt gingrich, all of those voters would come to rick santorum. they would be ahead of mitt romney in half of these primaries. you look at some of the polling that has been done. all leased some of the support
for gingrich would go to santorum. some would go to mitt romney and someone not vote at all. it is not a guarantee. the two of them are competing to be the sole conservative art -- alternative to mitt romney. >> he made a statement in the southern part of new jersey. >> this is a primary and turnout is everything. you do your job. it you do your job. this is the pledge. if we are able to come out with a huge or surprise win, i guarantee to you that we will win this nomination. we will nominate a conservative. if we nominate a conservative, we will beat barack obama. >> we have heard predictions before. newt gingrich insisted he would
be the nominee if he won south carolina. we have not heard from him since. it would be a big story if rick santorum won the illinois. he wins ohio and he wins michigan. we keep saying he has to be better and better. every time rick santorum pulls off a victory, the headlines are big. mitt romney keeps talking about the inevitability and numbers. a victory in illinois would be tremendous momentum. >> is this part of it not looking at a tremendous field? >> what it demonstrates is that there is a big divide in the republican party about what candidates that they want. mitt romney comes across as an establishment candidate. then you have santorum and
gingrich, who are to the right of mitt romney. the party are not all in lockstep. they are demonstrating that there is a divide about which candidate can best represent the party going into the fall election. those backing santorum said you need a clear difference between him and obama. the key independent segment of the floating population. mitt romney baby better at winning them over. >> some people are saying that newt gingrich's being a spoiler. >> some people are thinking if he could just get out. he may be the candidate that they prefer. that is one way of looking at it. some are tired of the gop
establishment tired of telling them who to vote for. tired of being told to vote for who they like. newt gingrich is a big ideas person. it depends on who you ask. host: he can also be a kingmaker, rick santorum. guest: you don't get to 1140 quick enough and in that sense, newt gingrich could make a difference of it gets to tampa. if you look at the arithmetic, it looks like mitt romney could very well have these numbers in hand by the end of the primaries on june 5. host: let's go back to the party rules. there are some changes from 2008 on the republican national
committee rules. guest: originally, they looked at what happened in 2008 and how exciting that was and hillary clinton and barack obama, they could not stop talking about it. the republicans looked at that and said that would not be so bad for us. they set the example of this thing would be more protracted than has been. i think there is a lot of regret by the republic is that this thing could be over by now but by their own design, they have it set up so it has allowed santorum and gingrich to pick up delegates along the way even though they are not winning all the states. it is retracted until we get into the winner-take-all and that is where it will order -- really matter. santorum have to win if he was to keep winning delegates. host: the president will have five campaign fund rises. this is what he had to say in illinois. [video clip] >> you might have noticed that we have some guests in illinois this week.
apparently, things have not quite wrapped up on the other side. [laughter] someere's actually interest in the primary we have here on tuesday. my message to all the candidates is welcome to the land of lincoln. because i am thinking maybe some lincoln will rub off on them while they are here. [applause] licoln, the first republican president knew that if we as a nation through our federal government did not act to facilitate these things, then they likely would not happen. as a result, we would all be worse off. he understood that we are a people that takes great pride in our self-reliance and independence and we're also one
nation and one people and that we rise or fall together. host: the president on the campaign trail friday raising money for his own reelection effort. yesterday was st. patrick's day, about a block and a half from here, the president going to one of the well-known irish pubs, the dubliner and this is what the scene looked like as the president was greeted. he had about 3/4 of his guinness before he departed. guest: that is why he spells his nameo'bama. the rules are different but the party is different. look at what happened in 2010 with the advent of the tea party with more conservative candidates elected to the house and that is reflected in the electorate in the 2012 primaries. host: tuscaloosa, alabama, good
morning. caller: i may c-span junkie. -- i am a c-span junkie. i am african-american. you talk about christians. pascrell were the people who brought the institution of slavery into the united states. the election of president barack obama let the world know what our people lived under for 400 years. i will say another thing -- i love this president but if he had not had a white mother and he had gone through the institution of slavery as our forefathers did, he never would have gotten elected in this country. there was some young intelligent white people whose grandparents voted for this man because they are not as prejudiced as the 60-year-old and opera there are some good ones but the good white people do not often get elected to
office. do this for us -- to this for me as an african-american -- when you say that the solid south for the republican party -- that is not true for black people. host: he pointed out that the president's race is the subject of this story inside " the new york times." any comment on the caller's view? guest: barack obama did not campaign as an african-american. he campaigned as an american who happen to be an african- american. barack obama said in 2008 that all the issues that affect the economy, unemployment, job
growth affects blacks and whites. i think his race and color was not a big issue. it may have been more of an issue for the voters and may be a big issue in 2012. guest: we are not beyond racism as a people. barack obama ran as that would not be a big issue and that helped him. guest: there were other issues to worry about in 2008, the wars, the collapse of the financial system, but perhaps there will be other directions this year. host: dan ball writing in illinois for "the washington post."
guest: mitt romney is ahead in illinois and it doesn't win, this is an opportunity for rick santorum to pick up more momentum. mitt romney is aware of this and he has to win this in the same way he had to win michigan and some of the other states outside the south. he has to win these other states. these are big industrial states or he will not look like a viable candidate. host: if mitt romney loses illinois, what does that mean? guest: it is more doubts about mitt romney as the inevitable nominee? it is now up and tucked between himself and rick santorum. they're still -- is people are still preparing for a united republican party to take on obama but if he is seen as a
social conservative, he could have problems. caller: good morning, gentlemen and the lady. anybody from the republican party, anybody can beat obama. mr. obama kept only one promised since the election, redistributing wealth. everything for mr. obama, if you pay attention, everything is a joke. he has a little smarter than any time he comments about the republicans, he makes a joke. all the people that vote for obama, 70% of the white people, will wake up and say we made the biggest mistake and it is time for change. thank you, guys, have a nice day. guest: this caller and the collar that was falling in earlier, there is a really big
divide over the direction the country should be going and whether we should be pursuing policies that seem to be redistributing the wealth or should we pursue more aggressive policies to straighten out the economy that would result in pro-business kind of measures. i think you really see that divide especially when you talk to voters. everybody has a different philosophy on what the government's role should be. as we move into the general election, in the primary season, is less an issue and wants to move into a general election that will have a can trust -- and we have a contrast between the democrats and republicans, we will talk more about what the different parties want to do to move the country forward. host: power we doing? guest: if we are talking about jobs, you can make the case that 220,000 jobs were created last
month and is a president obama's numbers move up. he was up to 50 percent but we also see a continuing drag on employment numbers. 8.3% unemployment and no president since fdr has been elected on those numbers. every month, the numbers go up and down for president obama depending on the news that way. if present obama is beatable and it is about what he accomplished, he could have a tough battle. if he frames the issue of us against what the republicans are suggesting, he has a better shot. host: this is our sunday roundtable, independent line, good morning. caller: i would like to clear something up.
i live in the 23rd congressional district and four years ago we had an election here. we had a very conservative candidate and we had a democrat and a third candidate who was a progressive. mr. gingrich is a progressive, not a conservative. rick santorum is the only conservative and he's the one his policies will be the best contrast to obama. thank you. host: thanks for the call. guest: newt gingrich has definitely had some issues with people taking moderate stance is in the past. he did that commercial was filmed like public-service advertisements with the former speaker nancy pelosi where the two been talked about climate change.
that hurt him. things like that that mitt romney used and ron paul used more effectively and i want to really hurts newt gingrich in that state. it made it impossible for him to win just by highlighting some of the things he has done in the past that show maybe he is not such a conservative candidate. after he left office, he has a bit of a checkered past in terms of embracing moderate views and it has come back to haunt him. it was most important in iowa where he was unable -- he lost all of his momentum and his campaign was damaged. host: this is from one of our twitter followers -- guest: the republican party got more religious after 1980 but it has always been a white and conservative party. the question is is it losing female voters as well.
with all the debates and language on contraception and reproductive rights and planned parenthood, that may play well to the base but many independent women are looking at this and saying we're not sure which way to go. the mitt romney numbers in women and independent voters have collapsed in the wake of all of this of this rhetoric going on in the debate. that is something the republicans need to recapture. host: trivia question -- how many campaign button do you own? guest: have about 70,000. you can send me your buttons and send me yours. guest: going back to what year? host: going back to 1876. where do you keep 70,000 buttons? guest: is privileged
information. host: i have a button room and everything is organized. it sounds like we should visit. let me go back to an issue that will drive this election, health care. we will have a chance to hear how this debate is unfolding. guest: it will be a fascinating debate. we will see how they will debate on states having to buy insurance to be a citizen in the united states and that will be the big anchor of the argument from opponents that say this thing should be overturned.
the big question is whether this will be overturned and when and will it happen. it will be a huge issue in the coming general election season depending on who the nominee is. some republicans don't like mitt romney because they feel he endorsed the individual mandate as governor of massachusetts. they feel like he would be weaker candidate because how could you contrast his ideas about health care reform with the obama ideas when obama has talked about mitt romney as a person whose ideas about health care reform or the basis for the national health care reform law that the democrats put forward. that will be a big issue once we get into the general election. host: this is in the outlook sectio of "the washington post."
guest: anthony kennedy has become the sarah -- sandra day o'connor and the modern-day corporate you get anthony kennedy on your side, you get the majority of the court. guest: it will be fascinating and this could really shape what will happen in the general election, too, because what do people think of the health care law. some people love it and some people can't stand it and it will decide to the next president will be, frankly. >> she is the chief
congressional correspondent. he has never met an expansion of government that he did not approve of. guest: he voted for some things that republicans said expanded the debt ceiling for one. that increased our bar wing and put us further into debt. there are things he has voted for the people think did not go the standard republican voting history. he calls and selfish conservatives. he has worked on things that are really important for the conservative base like welfare reform. some people consider him the most conservative of the three candidates. host: franklin, new york, democrats line -- caller: morning, everybody. i believe in a brokered convention and i think they will bring in governor petechia after the first votes. host: governor pataki? caller: is strong in the northeast.
newt gingrich flip-flops' on marriage three times and on the issues are you have mitt romney who has taken a position on every issue for and against. rick santorum is far off to the right. i cannot imagine a woman voting for him. your guests said the republican party has always been a white party. if another history of lincoln, 99% of the african-americans always voted republican up until the 1930's and 1940's. that has changed due to the flip-floping of the democratic and republican party. host: thank the for the call. >> guest: we had these fantasies that someone will come in and save the party.
it will not happen and when these candidates get in the race, they get tarred and feathered. ted kennedy was the ideal candidate in 1979. he runs and a moment he announces his candidacy, he went downhill. in the fantasy world, these other non-candidates would be great but once they come in, they need to be vetted all over again. host: "politico" has a story that mitt romney had with rick santorum and newt gingrich and it was an agreement that they would vote for each other if one should drop out. guest: why would any of them agree after spending the money they spent on the campaign trail, millions of dollars, will they let someone else walk away with it? no way. it is natural for the three of them to get together to agree on this one thing.
host: donna is joining us from louisiana, good morning. caller: good morning, i was curious about this campaign and what is politically correct and not correct with republicans. they are no longer kissing babies. obama, on the other hand, every woman for the last three years have pulled let him to them and kissed them very that is improper for president of united states. host: you are smiling. guest: we have seen a lot of strange things in 2012 but the thought of the president kissing babies, that is one of the perks of being president. host: illinois is on tuesday.
this is more from team gingrich -- [video clip] >> it means that anybody who can tell you can drill our way out of this problem does not know what they're talking about or just is not telling you the truth. [no audio] >> if you would like to have national energy has a national energy policy, never bowed to a saudi king and pay $2.50 for gas, newt gingrich will be your candidate. [applause] host: on this issue, $2.50 per gallon, the president has been going after new gingrich and others on his strategy. louisiana is next for the new gingrich campaign. guest: newt gingrich needs a win. this is ripe territory for him to pick up a win. the drilling issue is perfect down there.
he proposes that if we just go for the energy sources we have here through drilling and other means of getting out fossil fuels that will deliver the gas prices and america and he is going full bore with his campaign strategy and he will do it in louisiana which is the perfect state where more july is certainly supported by many people there. it is the south. he was not able to win and the two southern primaries a week ago and that was a big blow to his campaign but he said they are not giving up and they will go for winning more states and louisiana is prime territory. what you just showed is the perfect example of the way newt gingrich has been trying to pick up voters by showing the way he has this drill here and now strategy. that is what he is using as his big campaign push. we will see how that works in louisiana. host: roy from illinois, independent line, will you vote
on tuesday? caller: yes, probably will. i am hoping that mitt romney loses. he is spending a fortune here in southern illinois. i cannot watch a television program or pick up my telephone without hearing from somebody that is related to him or 1 cent to be elected. i wonder what the panel thinks about this superpacs. will we be in bark -- bombarded by them forever? i have never seen anything like this. i think obama is a slam-dunk in the fall because of these people that are running. that's all i got to say, thank you. guest: that is interesting. the super-pacs a big story in
this primary. newtre propping up gingrich in some cases and resort -- and rick santorum because they have the money and a way to put forward the message. they are behind a lot of these calls and a lot of these ads. host: this is the latest from the mitt romney campaign in illinois. >> who can turn around the economy and beeper barack obama. not rich sent thornberry his weakness is the economy. he has never run a business or a state. his plan -- economic illiteracy, the worst idea of any gop candidate, rick santorum, another economic light weight. mitt romney is ready to lead the nation to a new era with the ball this gop agenda since reagan. >> i am mitt romney and i approved this message. host: we have had a tweet and an e-mail of being inundated with television advertising.
at what point do you get to the law of diminishing returns? guest: may have happened in some states already. i was in iowa and illinois and you cannot get away from them. if you had the impression that mitt romney is buying the election and all you see our mitt romney commercials or these super-pac ads, it may boomerang on him very you need to overwhelm them because of mitt romney does not have a conservative message that conservatives want to hear, he will have to attack on the airwaves. host: this is a political story about mitt romney approaching rick santorum and newt gingrich. he was the one that initiated the conversation and said it has to be one of us, no late entries into this race.
guest: if we are still having this conversation in june, things could change. we still have 25 -- 24 states to go and things could change. we have plenty of time to look to another candidate who might be thinking of coming in. host: you even have buttons for 1976. guest: these guys are not liberals but when ronald reagan tried to win the nomination in 1976, he picked a liberal hoping that that would get the pennsylvania delegate on his side and that failed. host: this gives you a sense of what was like in 1976. this is the picture from "the new york times."
this gives you a moment of what it was like and potentially what we might be able to see in tampa this year. [video clip] >> i think he was a vice chairman of one of those delegations. what reason did he give? >> don't know. >> which phone is that? where does that go? >> that goes next to the trailer. >> of the ford trailer? >> yes. host: you see ronald reagan watching the proceedings. there was a lot of back-and- forth and horsetrading great going into that convention, it was not clear that gerald ford would have enough delegates on the first ballot. if that did not happen,
potentially pandemonium with the specter that convention hall. guest: yes, they would have made the party structure in november and they were only off by 2%. given all the things that gerald ford had coming in, a disastrous debate, a debatable choice as bob dole as a running mate and yet he only lost by 2points. ultimately, voters don't decide until late october and that could be the case this year. host: headline from " the new york times"--- many viewers say this is a fantasy. guest: mitt romney is way ahead in delegates. his lead will increase as time goes on and we move into these winner-take-all states like
connecticut, delaware, new york, pennsylvania, rhode island. these are the states are highly favorable toward mitt romney. it comes to the point where he will start getting so far ahead that the rest will be trailing. i think will make it more difficult for them to have financial support. guest: has to win. >> guest: that's right. i'm assuming he will win in illinois and will continue to win in states that technically favor him in polling numbers. if that does not happen, that is when we get more into this looking more fuzzy. at this point in time, it is hard to imagine this of this will be a brokered convention for there is a chance to record is small. look host: and at that video for 1976 --
kathleen on the phone from chicago, good morning. caller: i almost forgot what i had to say. if the republican party does not like the people they have running in their own party, why in the world do they think democrat, independence, and some republicans who will vote for president barack obama, not obama, president barack obama -- i don't understand. these republican candidates, mitt romney, he said around talking about obama care. there is no suspect. it is the affordable act health care. we have been looking for health care for 70 years and why is it such a nasty were all the sudden? the same model that he has, the president almost endorsed his. how could you get rid of something that you said was good for your steak but is not
good for the whole country? if it is good enough for one state, we are all in the same union. host: to the call and that is what rick santorum has been talking about with red mitt romney and it was in -- and it is an issue that will come up in the general election guest: mitt romney point is that he believes in states' rights. rick santorum said the precursor of obama care was romney care and mitt romney does not like that term. host: republic in line, welcome to the program. caller: i have at least two points. host: we will not cut you off. caller: i voted for newt gingrich and i hope the day to all the way to the convention. mitt romney and rick santorum wants to raise the age in which
you collect social security to age 70 and only newt gingrich is in favor of keeping the age the same. during the last presidential election, john mccain took his 90-year-old mother on the campaign trail with them. they had the primary debate and remember that asking what would you do about social security. mitt romney gave the on a master of response that he would increase the age to 70. a member of my family cracked -- if they keep increasing the agency further, the only person that will be eligible to collect will be senator mccain's mom. the other thing has to do with the rules -- in this country along with our name, our vote is one of the most sacred things with our person's good name. our vote is one of the most
precious things we own. i have concerns about whether the republican establishment is trying to push the boat toward mitt romney. in iowa, i think they said eight districts lost their vote. how you lose your vote in eight districts? host: who are you supporting in this republican primary? caller: i am supporting newt gingrich. i voted for him. they lost district in maine and then fla. -- i don't get it. they said mitt romney got all the votes. host: we will stop you there and say goodbye and thank you for the call. guest: she makes some good points. and tell the programs are in trouble. democrats agree that there has to be some kind of get back on entitlement programs. at the same time, democrats
insist the republicans need to give something as well and that could be tax increases. that is a no-no on the republican side. as far as continuing with the vote, it is precious and important but the establishment does not vote for it 1 million more republicans voted for mitt romney rather than the other candidates. ultimately, you either make the choice whether it is more important to beat barack obama and did you think mitt romney is the guy, you vote for him. if it is ideological purity, mitt romney is not that candidate and that is what the argument of rick santorum is. host: he will be spending all lot of time in ohio, new hampshire, pennsylvania. barack obama was campaigning in pittsburgh. this is the headline for the pittsburgh "post-gazette."
putting an awful lot of effort into ohio. guest: it will boil down to a handful of states. look at the red and blue states and it boils down to these purple states, a swing states. there's a big fight over voters which will be those states. ohio is probably one of the most important swing states. you may remember back in 2004, it boiled down to what would happen in ohio and that is what gave the election to george bush. you look at this time around, pennsylvania is important and ohio and florida and virginia will be really big this year. in these places, -- look at where the president is doing fundraisers and endorsing his agenda and talking to the public. he will be going to these very important states, these
battleground states, making these points. these are the voters he needs to win over if he is going to be a second term president. host: here is what the president said friday in chicago on that very point. [video clip] >> our politics may be divided but most americans understand we are greater together and no matter who we are where we come from, we rise and fall as one nation and one people and that is what is at stake. that is what is at stake in this election. that is what we are fighting for. as much as 2008 was exciting, as much as all this, i think, saw that night ed grant park as the culmination of something, it was just the beginning of what we are fighting for. that is what 2012 is about.
host: that kind of plays out in the video that was released last with by the obama campaign which was 17-minute narrated by tom hanks. it begins with that moment in chicago at grand park. guest: obama is trying to create narrative that this is a work in progress. he needs to get people away from thinking this is the end of his first term and things and not looking great pretty wants to make it look like this is a 80-year process. we are only three years in and gave -- this is an aide your process. -- this is an eight-year process. i think is a smart narrative for him because it changes the direction of people's thinking. the economy is still struggling and gas prices are rising and now he is trying to change the direction of people's thinking. he is saying to help me get to
the rest of this and fix up by the end of my second term that is what you heard yesterday in atlanta and the campaign speeches. host: these could be key players at this convention guest: would be absolute chaos. even 1976 was not really a convention where anything once. it was still two candidates but here you have the possibility of other candidates coming in. you have the possibility of ron paul a new gingrich and how many delegates they have. the power brokers could decide this thing. the ultimate dreams of the republican establishment, this is the ultimate nightmare host: fla. is next, and the deadline, good morning. caller: good morning cspan. good morning panel.
i'm a staunch 80-year-old independent voter and i am appalled at the mentality level of so many people in this country. if you were to ask the public runs the country, inevitably they would say the government. i think it is wall street and k street and who since their lobbyists to congress to run this country. look at all are single issue voters. i honestly believe if [inaudible] was alive and anti-gay, people would vote for him. look at our supreme court. they are supposed to be nine independent voters. they are not. they are politicians. you have five conservatives and four liberals. why should nine people have the power to tell 320 people what they can do retell 320 million
people what they can and cannot do. host: the argument over the health care bill, next week. guest: all the supreme court members are appointed by presidents. many of them are just as that are not political in nature but are just either conservative or liberal. it was the case during fdr and reagan and today and that has not changed. host: this is from "the detroit free press." guest: he has had to spend money. even though he is winning and beating in the delegate count,
he has had to fight harder than anyone predicted he would have been some of the states. as we look ahead to illinois, he will have to spend more money just to hang onto that state and in louisiana as well. this is getting expensive for the mitt romney campaign. host: quick note about the nebraska senate seat. guest: democrats were gleeful because olympia snowe was stepping down. now independent is the front runner and scared away some strong democratic candidates in maine. he looks like a likely successor. he is not fully committed to to voting with democratsbob perry is exciting for democrats in nebraska. however, a new poll has come out that shows an almost 30 points behind in the polls which
is bad for democrats. it is early but he has to close that gap significantly if he is going to take office as a legitimate candidate in this race. if democrats have any shot that seat, it would be through former senator kerry body as to close that gap. host: he has not lived in that state in years. guest: that is why he is saying it is good to be back but people look at that skeptically. guest: it is hard to come back to nebraska. you could commence in the york as hillary clinton and bobby kennedy did but for bobperry to come back to nebraska from greenwich village, that will be a tough battle. it looks like angus king will
win in maine. i don't think nebraska will vote for that kind of candidate. host: thank you both for being with us. >> tomorrow on "washington journal" the chairman of the republican national committee previews of illinois and the issues are in the campaign. william gallstone talks about the efforts to produce constructive conversation in congress. and then an analyst with the congressional research service examines the funding for use for major disasters or emergencies. "washington journal" live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span.